Monty Collier found to be a liar and banned from the prominant Reformed theology forum called The Puritan Board
Post taken from R. Scott Clark's blog. (R. Scott Clark, D.Phil
Associate Professor of Historical and Systematic Theology)
I want to use your words, “The Beetle fella is a teaching elder at a Tennessee Reformed church. Not sure which one,” as a jumping off point.
After Monty Collier posted on the PuritanBoard I saw the name of his church, “Geneva Dutch Calvinist Church” and thought to myself, “That was an interesting name,” so I went online to find out more info. IT DOESN’T EXIST. There is no phone number, no address, no contact info, no website, no Yellow Pages listing, nothing, nada, nil. All I could find were his YouTube “lectures,” a site that was devoted to exposing him, and pictures of him half-naked on the floor with another man wrestling.
To give you a sense of his intellectual abilities, the site devoted to exposing him made a big deal that Christians should not be involved in Mixed Martial Arts fighting. So, the Rev. Dr. Beetle posted a video “proving” that wrestling is biblical. His proof: Jacob wrestled with God, but here’s the kicker, even the NT talks about wrestling. He quotes from Eph. 6, “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME? A verse that says “we do not wrestle against flesh and blood” is proof that wrestling is biblical and legitimate for Christians to engage in?
Anyways, the moderators on the PuritanBoard e-mailed him and asked for proof that he was a “teaching elder” and he offered none, I was told, so that banned him from the list.
I think this Beetle is of the dung kind."
"I left the PCA when they refused to condemn the Auburn Ave. Theology. It was the last insult to Calvinism. If the PCA can't identify the Roman Catholic teaching of Justification by Faith and Works, then it doesn't deserve to be called presbyterian.
I remember when Westminster Presbytery (PCA) would not allow heretic R.C. Sproul, Jr.'s outfit to come into the Presbytery. They didn't refuse him for his Catholic theology; they thought he was nutty about home-schooling. Think about that." ~Monty L. Collier (redbeetle)
(People like Monty Collier get inflamed with anger when someone tells them they are to BE a Christian. They will turn it around and say you are preaching "faith and works" to try and divert the attenttion away from themselves and their non-christian lifestyle and onto a debate about the book of James and other passages.
As you can see he is trying to create divisions all over the place with the same rhetoric. This is the same "reason" why he began his attacks on me. Here is my explanation of what I believe as far as being "Justified by Faith" -TR)
Faith is Work. -The Work of God
Justification by Faith (Hebrews 11:7)
Email from Troy regarding Monty Collier's attacks:
RESPECT FOR YOUR MONTY COLLIER COME-BACKS. IF IT WAS BOXING, YOU'D HAVE T.K.O.'D HIM
I just watched the two videos listed below that you made.
Serious thanks for making the first one. The whole "free will v no free will" issue is one that has perplexed me & I haven't had/taken the time to see what the Biblical justifications are for either, so I applaud your bringing this to light.
Monty Collier is a mysterious character, so it was interesting to have the info that you brought to light on him. Interesting that the day that he joined YouTube is the same day that Zagami states that he left the Monte Carlo Lodge = 6/6/06. Well spotted.
I actually found it a bit upsetting towards the end of the second video that someone who claims to be a Christian (Collier) & has such a strong internet presence (if not in the "outside" world), would clearly lie about scripture in an attempt to defame another professed - & I would say devout - Christian (yourself). The truth of the scripture speaks in your defence - not his - in this & I believe that the Lord brought about his attack in order for you to find the truth in HIS Word, in order to help others to help themselves in discernment & Salvation.
It is good to see that you have had the time to become very well acquainted with Scripture, well enough to prepare a more than rigorous defence - a watertight defence in these two cases. I'm not saying that you're right in all Biblical matters, as I wish that I had more time for studying the Gospel, but in these two cases the Bible speaks on your behalf.
I am aware that it is a dangerous game - spiritually if nothing else - in my reasonably neutral stance to presenting & responding to Zagami's information, but I say that the likes of Szymanski haven't helped any of us be in a better position to know where Zagami is coming from & to act in an appropriate matter of response by refusing to have him on air. Szymanski's problem is that he would never challenge his guests. He didn't have to be antagonistic per se, but he should have challenged them to justify their actions & statements, whether Phelps, O'Collins, Zagami or whoever.
Maybe he is well meaning, if misguided - maybe we all are our in slight & sometimes differing degrees. His response to your getting upset on air was one of Christian compassion I felt, & that I applaud, but his downfall is having an "all or nothing approach" in supporting his guests on an intellectual & spiritual basis. This leads to a schizophrenic situation, if he is true in his response to all of them. I told Zagami in interview #3 that I understood your decision to disassociate from me, related to your position that you'd adopted that he was either back or always remained in league with the Jesuits.
It is my belief - right or wrong - that I am currently acting as witness for testimony that the Lord himself will judge, if others & myself - using our own discernment - can benefit from having this information & these statements brought to light rather than hidden, then I am satisfied that I am justified in my actions & stance.
In Christ -
Info on Collier that you presented that I checked:
Joined: June 06, 2006
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