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Written May 14, 2008
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." -2Cor 11:3
So understanding Christ is simple according to the Word of God (the Bible. King James Version). It doesn't take intelligence. It doesn't take "Logic" aka Common sense. That is what this message is about. God's Word defies "logic" because "logic" is a man's word. Logic makes people think they have specially enhanced minds to where they can understand God's Word better than others. This causes people to believe in their own abilities and not the abilities of God. This leads to pride. Undue pride because really they are like clouds without rain. They boast of things God didn't give them. Therefore it is usually worthless. This would discourage less intelligent people from coming to Christ. That is what this message is about. Wordly wisdom VS Godly wisdom.
Again: When I say the Bible is "illogical", I am speaking according to "man's wisdom". I would say that the Bible is THE perfect "Logic". But many people who claim to be saved and are not, make the Bible look illogical by their actions. Actions they claim to be governed by God's Holy Word.
For instance. A Calvinist claiming to be "logical" asked an atheist if he's "Got Logic?" This is after the Calvinist had stressed in teaching that "Logic" is the Word of God (God). Well then, of course the Atheist would be"illogical" according to the Calvinist. So then why did he ask the atheist if he's "Got Logic"? Point made.
I want to make it clear that I believe the Bible is perfect in every way, and of course, free of any contradictions. (Now let's go on with the message...)
Is the Bible logical?
There are too many "illogical" events (according to the natural) that take place in the bible to make the statement, "The Bible is Logical" true. Therefore, the statement, "The Bible is illogical" is the better choice.
Was it logical for Abraham's wife Sarah to be with child at 90 years old? What did Sarah do? She used logic and actually laughed at the promises of God."Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh." Gen 18:15
Was it "logical" for walls to fall down when the children of Israel marched around Jericho seven times shouting and blowing rams horns? need I go through all the many miracles of the Bible?
logic, (from the Online Etymology Dictionary) "branch of philosophy that treats of forms of thinking," from O.Fr. logique, from L. (ars) logica, from Gk. logike (techne) "reasoning (art)," from fem. of logikos "pertaining to speaking or reasoning," from logos "reason, idea, word" (see logos). Meaning "logical argumentation" is from 1601. Logical attested 1500 as "pertaining to logic;" 1588 as "conformable to laws of reasoning;" 1860 as "following as a reasonable consequence."
In the instance of "logic" meaning "reasoning" this is what's done when we preach the gospel to lost sinners. BUT, we must be speaking under the unction of the Holy Spirit for it to open up the listener's mind. It has to be God using our mouths. It has to be Him reasoning with the soul we are engaging. It's not LOGIC but Holy Spirit. Let's be clear here.
Is it "logic" that motivates you to take heed to God when he states in Proverbs that unless we "turn at his reproof" he will "laugh at" our calamity and "mock" when our "fear cometh" When our"fear cometh as desolation," and our "destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you"? Or is plain simply the revelation God has given us that he will surely stuff our souls into hell if we refuse Him. The Fear of God which is Wisdom (not "logic") The Fear of the Lord is knowledge. Proverbs 1:23-33
Any reference to "logic" that I have ever heard, let's say, from a Calvinist would most certainly mean "man's wisdom" or "worldly wisdom" but what does God say about "man's wisdom" and-or "the wisdom of the world"
1 Cor 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Cor 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
I can testify that surely "logic" did not convince me of the reality of God. It for sure was simply a broken heart crying out to God and God revealing Himself to me, that poor wretched creature I was.
"Logic" had nothing to do with it. Thank God we don't need "logic" which God calls "foolishness"
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness." 1 Cor 3:19
Logic = Spiritual Deadness
Let's face it. The bible just isn't logical. Is it logical for God to come down from heaven and suffer the death he did for dirty filthy sinners? Sinners who will reject God and choose eternal death rather than eternal glory?
Is it logical to believe Christ raised from the dead and ascended into heaven in front of 500 witnesses? is it logical to believe Christ can abide within us with God the father by the Holy Spirit?
Or how about the Old Testament. Was Noah's ark logic? Could we grasp the reality of Noah with logic? Or is it a supernatural faith?
I remember right after God revealed His Word to me as 100% truth and being God, the Creator's Holy Eternal Word and i began reading about Noah and the Ark. My mind didn't believe it but my newly born again spirit did. I'll never forget. i actually felt the difference, almost physically, the difference between Logic and Faith.
"For the word of God is quick (living, alive), and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (Logic) and spirit (spiritual understanding), and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrew 4:12
Is "logic" natural? Or is it a gift of God? If it's natural it certainly isn't anything to boast of. If it is a gift of God it isn't anything to boast of.
1 Corinthians 4:7 "For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou ha dst not received it?"
I think trying to win an unbeliever with "logic" is an utter failure because the Bible is supernatural and supernatural is "illogical"
I once saw a Calvinist. he was a self professed "Teaching Elder" at the Geneva Dutch Calvinist church. The Church doesn't exist but regardless the man went about making videos attacking peoples theological doctrines and making big challenges and so forth.
Well, one time he made a video challenging an atheist regarding logic. He stated it was illogical for the atheist to do a video about atheism while wearing a Jesuit University sweatshirt. Well, so much for logic. I can state quite verily that this sort of logic is incredibly undesirable. Is that how a "Christian" man thought he could win an atheist?
I thank God that even when Christendom is flooded with such characters as this "Calvinist" that when a true man of God speaks an atheist will be able to tell the difference. God will save that atheist in spite of everything. Praise God for that!
"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus." Acts 4:13 See? this is what reaches even the most brilliant of people. It is a wisdom that far surpasses what man would call, "logic"
If it takes "Logic" to understand God and His Word then the Jews which are some of the most brilliant people would understand that Jesus most assuredly was and is their Messiah. But what does the Scripture say?
2 Cor 3:14 " But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
1 Corinthians 1:19-31 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.